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kath
#41 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Sandy, I've started a new thread
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#42 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Kath I wouldn't have known how to start a new thread,well done.
It's a shame Biff only recently came on board and has not seen all our postings,he may then be more informed about his comments.
I wonder if he'll be one of our short-time visitors or stick around as we have.
You're a better person than me Kath you'll see from my posting to him I wouldn't have given him the satisfaction of feeling like we were considered too selfish to be allowed to publically post!
Perhaps him and Brian might like to exchange email addresses?
Talk to you soon.
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#43 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Hey Steve,

Thanks for the article in the other thread. You know, I always knew there was collusion on on line poker sites between humans, but with poker bots, it truly is unbeatable. Nonetheless, even armed with that information, I am still glad I have gamblock!

Biff
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#44 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Sandy, I'm not paying into negativity lord knows I have enough of that in my own life.I just took the opinion that this was one place that we could all be who we are and say what we want.Without being made to feel bad about ourselves and for the stupidity that someone can't flick over our conversation.Petty.
I'm out and about today so have a fantastic day and I'll be int touch soon.

Kath
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#45 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Biff I hope that made you feel better.
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#46 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Kath your email said it beautifully.
Biff can't cope without us obviously.Will post later.
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#47 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Glorp,

I want to commend you on your poker post on how if you play long enough you will emerge a long term loser. And you are right, people chase so often because they have no idea how to play, almost takes the skill out of the game, as it changes to bingo. LOL

In any event, great post. I'll talk to you later.

Biff
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#48 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Hi Sandy, Hope you had a really good day. I must admit I had a quite a positive,look forward kind of day which renewed me some-what.So I'm ready to take on another day tomorrow.
I even left the house today, yay.
Anyway check in with you when I can.
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#49 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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LOL, Biff, there's no reason for that...

Do Sandy and Kath often communicate in certain threads that maybe don't relate to their specific problems? Yes. Does it hurt or take anything away from the topic? No.

They're good people and they're supporting each other, no need to knock others around these parts.
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#50 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Brian my sincere thanks for your comments.This site has been the most valuable tool in helping me and I know Kath feels the same way.
We certainly never intended to upset anyone.
Biff states we were hijaking the site I hope no else thinks that.
Thanks again we're all in this together.
Hope you are okay!
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#51 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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I hear that...

I can't act all high and mighty anymore b/c I went back to the poker table... I don't have all the answers... And unfortunately, I continue to win...

It's because I have access to as much cash as I need between 8-4 during the week, and unless I move to a monastary or sell my business and donate that to the poor, I'm going to be as bored as I was today.

I say it's unfortunate that I win, because it's only going to make the inevitable downward spiral that much deeper.
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#52 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Yeah, you'll lose it all brian g. But in the meantime, keep up the dream of being the next poker great. "You continue to win". LOL, said that many of times myself! You must be getting good at poker now, able to finally "read people"? Homeless shelters not open tonight for another contribution?

Wonder if you will be all cheery announcing your poker success when you get sucked out on. Eh? What happens when your straight on the flop gets rivered by a flush?

Yep, you're the next Chris Moneymaker. LOL. You are a fish. And you know it.

Sorry I am not stroking you bud like everyone else, saying 'I am here for you' and all that jack crap. BUT this site is for people that want to quit gambling, not gloating about your wins when you slip giving people a false hope. And you know it as well as myself, thats what you're doing. Saying how derpressed you are after a nice session. Give me a break. Just quit posting if thats your deal.

Remember this post and think about it when you have two pair and the chaser gets a flush suck out and takes your stack and you are broke. It will happen. Meanwhile, enjoy the tables.

Cheers,

Biff
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#53 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Brian you're not gloating about your winning,personally I think you're angry at yourself for going back and trying to make the point that it's not about money!It's just making it harder on you to give up because you are winning and it's giving you the chance to go back.
I like you on the site because you are honest and you have as much right as anyone else to be here.
You said it yourself you know you're eventually going to loose and it's that knowledge that wants to make you give up so desperately.
I think Biff wants the site exclusively to himself.
Thankyou for sharing that you won as I know my last relapse was when I won,what did I do go straight back and yes eventually lost all I'd won and more.
I do want to say we are here for you because we are!
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#54 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Thats my point Sandy, he will lose it all. But I know what Brian is doing.

Poker has a way of becoming "skill" when you are a winner. So, regardless of his post, he thinks he is now a good poker player. He is posting here because he feels guilty about playing, BUT he is really feeling pretty good about himself as he thinks he is an improved poker player. Thinks he has some new skills, overnight.

Trust me, ALL poker players feel this way. Its part of the addiction. And I sniffed it out, and I know Brian knows what I am talking about, and I have been there too.

Hey Brian. What are you planning long term? To become a pro poker player? I have one friend that is a "pro". I went out there to Vegas last year to see him. Let me tell you how pros live:

First, 95% of poker pros are single. They do not have wives, and no girlfriends either. They do not own a house, as they live in extended stay hotels and I am not talking about Residence Inn, but rather a motel overlooking a supermarket. His "room" had a microwave and a small fridge when I saw it.

Rarely do they own vehicles. Mostly they walk to the casinos, but most have bikes. From my understanding, most of the bikes were purchased from pawn shops after they sold their vehicles for cash to a dealership, which was always lost at the tables the same day.

Some other fun tidbits of note. Most players take their first week "winnings" and pre pay their hotel for the month, so they know they are covered. Those that lose their rent money borrow money from other players so they do not sleep under a bridge.

Dinner typically is free buffets when you can get them. Otherwise its McDonalds, or Dennys when things are going good. Clothes are a hat, jeans and a faded tee shirt. Winter is a fashionable time cuz most have that $700 coat they bought once while they were on a streak, so they wear it every day in the winter.

And for fun? Sitting at a bar talking about Phil Ivey on tv, or some suck out that just happened on the table.

And Brian g, if you are hoping to be the next Mike Matusow, who just won a $Million at the WSOP, understand he had just got out of jail for selling drugs, "for a friend". Or Gus Hansen who from all reports is stuck for $4M and is MIA in Vegas. Or TJ Cloutier who can't even pay an entry fee to a tourney and needs to be staked due to a craps addiction.

Oh well, you are not ready to quit yet. But I am right there with you as I am dying to play myself. I guess the only thing that makes us different tonight in regards to gambling is I stayed away from the tables tonight and you didn't.

Congrats on your big win,

Biff
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#55 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Kath are you okay?
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#56 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Biff how dare you be so very condescending.And to be-little Brian G like that is inexcusable.What Brian did by giving that money to the homeless was one of the most couragous things I have ever heard, couragous as how easy would it have been for him to continue gambling, but he took steps so it made it harder for him to do so.
As for telling him not to post here that is rubbish, he is not gloating about winning he is struggling to stay away, and for you to make any judgements about anybody else's addiction is absurd.
Biff I do congratulate you for staying away you should feel proud of yourself for that, but don't lord it over others.
Recovery is a journey, and different for everyone.
Bitterness is not a nice quality, and as for the hijacking comment.Get over yourself.
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#57 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Sandy, I am fine.I had one of the best days today.Went x-mas shopping just wandered around like I had not a care in the world, very freeing.
As I said yesterday feeling more positive and really looking forward to x-mas.
The next couple of weeks are going to be busy as the kids have concerts, all the usual end of year stuff, but I love every minute.
Hope you had a good day and are feeling good and positive.
Look forward to hearing from you
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#58 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Biff - You tell it like it is. Great post!

Brian - We already know that gamblers don't lose all the time and get so-called "winning" streaks but the reality is that all gambling involving the gambling industry, including online poker, is a lifelong losing streak only temporarily interupted by some times when we win. But these wins don't last because it is impossible for them to last.

The facts are clear - there has never been a single properly documented case of anyone winning money in the long-run playing online poker. As Biff alluded to pointing out a poker player's lifestyle, unless these online poker players and casino tournament poker players are clever enough to develop online websites with affiliate commission programs and/or write books and produce videos about "winning" at online poker, then all of these players will go broke - usually it's sooner rather than later.

With all these presented facts, to most people it would be quite logical to never play the sucker's game of online poker because online poker is without a doubt a sucker's game. But our addiction doesn't want to face the facts. Our self-destructive tendencies don't want to face the facts. As was stated earlier, some people learn the easy way and some people have to learn the hard way. This is not being condescending as I myself did have to learn the hard way. I don't believe it's ever condescending to share our stories and how it can relate to a fellow addicted gambler in guiding them to stop gambling and start recovery. Thankfully it was finally learned that gambling was not my hope, that recovery was my hope, and it is hoped that you choose recovery as soon as possible.

Sandy and Kath - Very nice personal touches between yourselves trying to help each other to stop gambling and stay in recovery. I think others can learn from both of you that all addicted gamblers should support each other as much as we possibly can - which helps ourselves as well.

YFIR,

Steve
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#59 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Stephen I could'nt agree more,the facts and figures for any type of gambling spell loser but just beacuse you know something in theory does'nt make it any easier if it did none of us would be here. And of course every one is entitled to an opinion, and to be able to voice it.If Biff's approach is different from mine fine.Different strokes for different folks.
What I do take issue with is the way he mocked over the homeless issue,this site should be somewhere everyone can be honest and be who they are without repurcussions or judgements.It's not condenscending to share your story but that is not what he was doing.
And Sandy is my greatest support and has probably saved my own sanity several times, but we certainly engage with other people and offer what support we can.
I just cannot believe all of this has come from protectiveness over a thread which is now not even being used.
Be well.
Just out of curiosity what is YFIR?(Your Friend in Recovery)
kath
#60 Posted : Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:15:00 a.m.(UTC)
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Biff Quite frankly this is pointless and not at all constructive. I very much respect what you have to say even though I may not agree with how you say it.
I re-read all your earlier posts, and you ponted something out, that honestly had'nt even occured to me(even though I object to being called a hijacker). I did as you asked and started a new thread, so let's move on.
And I was being sincere when I wished you every success.
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